Run ffb15a97
Moved from idea to clarifying on the Pipeline board. Clarify the scoped experiment before full planning. Establish the specific hypothesis, expected information gain, what result would change the next action or belief, and any missing constraint that would make planning invalid. Ask only targeted questions if the record is insufficient; if those facts are already clear, advance toward planning without adding broad nice-to-have requirements.
Plan
Blocker — escalating to manual investigation
**Diagnosis of r5 failure.** Account-switch workaround did not break the loop: - r1–r4 on `account=team`: pods dispatched, RUNNING for 2–25 min, then "not found in account=team" with no termination event. Reproduced simultaneously across sibling experiments #192, #333, #365 in the r4 batch — already established as account- or DC-level, not per-experiment. - **r5 on `account=personal`** (this run, `32e93989-504f-4beb-a190-6585b45bbaa6`): identical disappearance pattern. - Two `pod_provisioner_attempt` events fired 8s apart (10:53:33Z, 10:53:41Z), both committed: `j0xvy1q82ryo8m`, `cv13x9s487tvwn`. `deploy_completed: pod-provisioner committed 2 pod(s)`. - Both went `RUNNING` at 10:53:55Z (≈22s and ≈13s after deploy_started, respectively). - Both `runpod_retry: not found in account=personal` at 10:54:54Z and 10:54:55Z — ~60s after going RUNNING. - Same disappearance reported again at 10:55:54Z, confirming the pods are gone from the personal-account API view. **Why this is not an experiment-plan problem.** The r5 swap from `team` to `personal` was the only plan change vs. r4. The pattern reproduced unchanged on personal. No plan-side variable (model, dataset, branch tip, hyperparameters, GPU type, cloud type, volume, account) explains a pod that goes RUNNING on RunPod's side and then vanishes from the account's pod list ~60s later on both accounts. Five consecutive retries (r1–r5) is enough signal to stop retrying and escalate. **Two-pods-when-one-was-requested anomaly.** The plan's `runpod-spec` is a single pod object with `gpuCount: 1`, but the provisioner committed 2 pods on r5. Possible causes worth checking before any r6: (a) provisioner retry on a transient RunPod response double-creating; (b) parallel re-dispatch from another orchestration path; (c) the `consolidation` block being misread. This may be unrelated to the disappearance, but it's the only behavior change between r4 (one pod) and r5 (two pods) and warrants inspection. **What I cannot fix from here.** No `substitution_policy` field, GPU swap, region swap, or DC pin will change the outcome — both accounts are exhibiting the same post-RUNNING reclaim, and the dispatch path itself committed an unexpected pod count. The failure mode is upstream of the experiment spec.
Exact next manual actions
1. **RunPod console audit (both accounts) around the r5 window** (≈10:53:30Z–10:55:00Z UTC, 2026-05-14): - Check pod history for `j0xvy1q82ryo8m` and `cv13x9s487tvwn` on the personal account. Were they stopped, terminated, OOM-killed, billing-suspended, or did they vanish silently? - Cross-check whether RunPod logged an external stop, a billing/quota event, or a capacity reclaim. - Do the same for the r4 pods on team account (`heqil88v6gnjyw` for #333, `rtna35w99srodo` for #192, `j18eiux6ccekyj` for #365) around 10:39:59Z–10:44:00Z. 2. **Runner-side audit:** - Query `agent_run_events` for the r5 run `32e93989-504f-4beb-a190-6585b45bbaa6` and look for any `pod_stop` events, especially with a `source` field indicating they came from the dashboard, another agent run, a cron, or an internal cleanup job. - Inspect the `pod-provisioner` logic that committed 2 pods for a single-pod spec on r5 — confirm whether this was retry-induced double-creation or a separate parallel dispatch path. - Check whether `runpod_pod_id` columns in the runner's DB are getting set/cleared correctly across retries (a stale ID could explain "not found" if the API is being queried with the wrong ID, but RUNNING-then-vanish argues against pure-staleness). 3. **Billing/quota check on both accounts.** A spend cap or quota-suspend on `team` could be plausible alone; the same on `personal` within minutes is less plausible but worth confirming via the RunPod billing dashboard. 4. **If the RunPod console shows pods were terminated externally** (by another agent run, by a dashboard action, by RunPod-side reclaim): identify the source. If by an internal Sagan agent/cron, that is the bug. If by RunPod-side capacity reclaim on SECURE cloud, escalate to RunPod support with both account IDs and the pod IDs above. 5. **Do not r6-dispatch this experiment until step 1–3 produce a root cause.** Another retry on either account is expected to fail identically.
What I am NOT doing and why
- **Not revising the plan.** The approved plan body is unchanged from r3 onward and is not the failure source. Editing it now would be cargo-culting. - **Not switching back to `team` or trying a third account permutation.** r1–r4 already exhausted `team` and r5 exhausted `personal` with the same symptom; the pattern is account-independent. - **Not changing GPU/cloud/DC.** The pods *did* come up RUNNING on RunPod's side — capacity was available; the failure is post-dispatch, not allocation. - **Not adding new approval gates or new clarifying questions.** Per the planner rules ("After round 3, unresolved disagreement alone is not enough to block… Concerns about diagnostics… should be surfaced for interpretation, not turned into pass/fail gates"), and per the recovery-rescue rules ("If the root cause is external… stop with a concise blocker"), this is a stop-and-escalate situation.
Summary for the owner
Five consecutive dispatch attempts (r1–r4 team, r5 personal) of an approved, unchanged experiment plan have failed with the same post-`RUNNING` pod-disappearance signature on RunPod, across two accounts. The r5 retry additionally committed 2 pods when the spec requested 1, which suggests a runner-side dispatch bug worth investigating in its own right. The blocker is upstream of the experiment plan and requires a manual look at RunPod console events and the runner's `agent_run_events` / pod-provisioner logic. Once that root cause is identified and remediated, the existing approved plan can be re-dispatched as-is — no plan changes required.
I cannot safely produce another auto-dispatch revision for this experiment. After diagnosing r5's transcript, this is now a cross-account infrastructure failure that needs human investigation, not another plan tweak.
Blocker — escalating to manual investigation
Diagnosis of r5 failure. Account-switch workaround did not break the loop:
- r1–r4 on
account=team: pods dispatched, RUNNING for 2–25 min, then "not found in account=team" with no termination event. Reproduced simultaneously across sibling experiments #192, #333, #365 in the r4 batch — already established as account- or DC-level, not per-experiment. - r5 on
account=personal(this run,32e93989-504f-4beb-a190-6585b45bbaa6): identical disappearance pattern.- Two
pod_provisioner_attemptevents fired 8s apart (10:53:33Z, 10:53:41Z), both committed:j0xvy1q82ryo8m,cv13x9s487tvwn.deploy_completed: pod-provisioner committed 2 pod(s). - Both went
RUNNINGat 10:53:55Z (≈22s and ≈13s after deploy_started, respectively). - Both
runpod_retry: not found in account=personalat 10:54:54Z and 10:54:55Z — ~60s after going RUNNING. - Same disappearance reported again at 10:55:54Z, confirming the pods are gone from the personal-account API view.
- Two
Why this is not an experiment-plan problem. The r5 swap from team to personal was the only plan change vs. r4. The pattern reproduced unchanged on personal. No plan-side variable (model, dataset, branch tip, hyperparameters, GPU type, cloud type, volume, account) explains a pod that goes RUNNING on RunPod's side and then vanishes from the account's pod list ~60s later on both accounts. Five consecutive retries (r1–r5) is enough signal to stop retrying and escalate.
Two-pods-when-one-was-requested anomaly. The plan's runpod-spec is a single pod object with gpuCount: 1, but the provisioner committed 2 pods on r5. Possible causes worth checking before any r6: (a) provisioner retry on a transient RunPod response double-creating; (b) parallel re-dispatch from another orchestration path; (c) the consolidation block being misread. This may be unrelated to the disappearance, but it's the only behavior change between r4 (one pod) and r5 (two pods) and warrants inspection.
What I cannot fix from here. No substitution_policy field, GPU swap, region swap, or DC pin will change the outcome — both accounts are exhibiting the same post-RUNNING reclaim, and the dispatch path itself committed an unexpected pod count. The failure mode is upstream of the experiment spec.
Exact next manual actions
- RunPod console audit (both accounts) around the r5 window (≈10:53:30Z–10:55:00Z UTC, 2026-05-14):
- Check pod history for
j0xvy1q82ryo8mandcv13x9s487tvwnon the personal account. Were they stopped, terminated, OOM-killed, billing-suspended, or did they vanish silently? - Cross-check whether RunPod logged an external stop, a billing/quota event, or a capacity reclaim.
- Do the same for the r4 pods on team account (
heqil88v6gnjywfor #333,rtna35w99srodofor #192,j18eiux6ccekyjfor #365) around 10:39:59Z–10:44:00Z.
- Check pod history for
- Runner-side audit:
- Query
agent_run_eventsfor the r5 run32e93989-504f-4beb-a190-6585b45bbaa6and look for anypod_stopevents, especially with asourcefield indicating they came from the dashboard, another agent run, a cron, or an internal cleanup job. - Inspect the
pod-provisionerlogic that committed 2 pods for a single-pod spec on r5 — confirm whether this was retry-induced double-creation or a separate parallel dispatch path. - Check whether
runpod_pod_idcolumns in the runner's DB are getting set/cleared correctly across retries (a stale ID could explain "not found" if the API is being queried with the wrong ID, but RUNNING-then-vanish argues against pure-staleness).
- Query
- Billing/quota check on both accounts. A spend cap or quota-suspend on
teamcould be plausible alone; the same onpersonalwithin minutes is less plausible but worth confirming via the RunPod billing dashboard. - If the RunPod console shows pods were terminated externally (by another agent run, by a dashboard action, by RunPod-side reclaim): identify the source. If by an internal Sagan agent/cron, that is the bug. If by RunPod-side capacity reclaim on SECURE cloud, escalate to RunPod support with both account IDs and the pod IDs above.
- Do not r6-dispatch this experiment until step 1–3 produce a root cause. Another retry on either account is expected to fail identically.
What I am NOT doing and why
- Not revising the plan. The approved plan body is unchanged from r3 onward and is not the failure source. Editing it now would be cargo-culting.
- Not switching back to
teamor trying a third account permutation. r1–r4 already exhaustedteamand r5 exhaustedpersonalwith the same symptom; the pattern is account-independent. - Not changing GPU/cloud/DC. The pods did come up RUNNING on RunPod's side — capacity was available; the failure is post-dispatch, not allocation.
- Not adding new approval gates or new clarifying questions. Per the planner rules ("After round 3, unresolved disagreement alone is not enough to block… Concerns about diagnostics… should be surfaced for interpretation, not turned into pass/fail gates"), and per the recovery-rescue rules ("If the root cause is external… stop with a concise blocker"), this is a stop-and-escalate situation.
Summary for the owner
Five consecutive dispatch attempts (r1–r4 team, r5 personal) of an approved, unchanged experiment plan have failed with the same post-RUNNING pod-disappearance signature on RunPod, across two accounts. The r5 retry additionally committed 2 pods when the spec requested 1, which suggests a runner-side dispatch bug worth investigating in its own right. The blocker is upstream of the experiment plan and requires a manual look at RunPod console events and the runner's agent_run_events / pod-provisioner logic. Once that root cause is identified and remediated, the existing approved plan can be re-dispatched as-is — no plan changes required.
Events
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I read the scoped record (#333) carefully. The hypothesis, expected information gain, methodology, and most decision rules are unusually well-specified. A few targeted ambiguities remain that are load-bearing for the kill criterion — I'd like to lock them down before drafting the full plan rather than guessing in the plan and risking a different reading at interpretation time. ## Clarifying questions **1. Decision-rule completeness — the (1)-holds-and-(2)-fails case is unmapped.** The body specifies actions for two outcomes: - (1) holds + (2) holds → update #239 to the narrower "pooled-symmetric but phrasing-sensitivity is itself asymmetric" framing. - (1) fails → remove the symmetric-spill claim entirely. What about the third case: **(1) holds + (2) fails** (pooled rates match within ±5pp *and* phrasing-spread is roughly comparable across the two directions)? That is the outcome that would actually vindicate #239's original "direction-agnostic geometry" framing. Should that outcome restore the original symmetric-spill paragraph in #239, restore it with the multi-seed evidence added, or something else? Without an action mapping for this quadrant, ~25% of the outcome space is undefined. **2. Compound test for decision rule (1) — Spanish-only, German-only, or both?** Rule (1) says the FR→IT vs IT→FR Spanish-bystander rates must match within ±5pp, then adds "Same threshold for German-bystander cell." It does not say whether the symmetric-spill claim requires *both* cells to pass within ±5pp, *either* to pass, or whether Spanish is the headline and German is reported-but-not-decisive. Given the single-seed German-bystander gap was already 11pp (FR→IT: 36% / IT→FR: 25% — outside ±5pp), this matters: a strict "both must pass" rule will likely kill (1) on German alone before Spanish gets a vote. My read: the Spanish-bystander cell is the headline (it's the #239 quote) and German is supportive. Is that the intent, or do you want a stricter compound rule? **3. Definition of "phrasing-spread" in decision rule (2).** "Phrasing-spread exceeds … by ≥2× across the 5 phrasings (averaged over seeds)" — is "spread" the **range (max − min across the 5 phrasings)**, the **standard deviation across the 5 phrasings**, or the **IQR**? At the single-seed #239 numbers, range gives 47.5pp vs 12.5pp (≈3.8× — clears 2×), but std-dev or IQR could land differently. The 2× ratio is interpretable for any of these, but the threshold's noise floor depends on the choice, so I'd like to pre-register one. --- I have no other planning blockers — model, LoRA hyperparameters, dataset, eval setup, seeds, compute budget, and the kill criterion structure are all specified. Once these three points are answered (or you say "use your judgment, default to X"), I'll proceed straight to the full plan in the next turn. <<<DONE>>>
success
Claude produced clarifying questions instead of a full plan.
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